tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4439320666659696765.post6948290957350684157..comments2023-10-24T07:43:13.745-04:00Comments on Things You Can't Take Back: I'm back. I hope.Meg Lamberthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10534877373907555299noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4439320666659696765.post-5425667123412476772011-10-28T08:13:46.745-04:002011-10-28T08:13:46.745-04:00And when I say Indonesia, I mean the shipwreck was...And when I say Indonesia, I mean the shipwreck was found off the coast of Indonesia and contained roughly 60,000 pieces of Changsha ceramics from China, while the ship itself was an Arab dhow.Meg Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10534877373907555299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4439320666659696765.post-39211431569382820232011-10-28T08:12:35.591-04:002011-10-28T08:12:35.591-04:00Haha. Wow. No. The objects in the Belitung shipwre...Haha. Wow. No. The objects in the Belitung shipwreck are from Indonesia, not Iraq. There is a post coming soon addressing some of the comments here.Meg Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10534877373907555299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4439320666659696765.post-9628507128211642502011-10-27T23:32:58.067-04:002011-10-27T23:32:58.067-04:00PS: Look at the price of the piece in the sales ca...PS: Look at the price of the piece in the sales catalogue and imagine what the US taxpayer spent and then answer the question: Would you have wanted to "save" this object?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4439320666659696765.post-79716649508222241012011-10-27T23:30:34.997-04:002011-10-27T23:30:34.997-04:00@ anonymous above and Meg:
Look at Christie'...@ anonymous above and Meg: <br /><br />Look at Christie's London October Islamic Art 2005 sale and how it ended in Raby's bazar:<br />http://www.asia.si.edu/collections/singleObject.cfm?ObjectNumber=F2005.10<br /><br />Do some research, Meg! This from Iraq, right? Study the US politics then and what the government recommended on (not) acquiring Iraqi antiquities. Any questions on where this very museum stands with its policies and ethics and keeping to UNESCO guidelines etc? HAVE FUN!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4439320666659696765.post-73449393795471483242011-10-21T23:44:35.208-04:002011-10-21T23:44:35.208-04:00Why is the Smithsonian not doing what someone in t...Why is the Smithsonian not doing what someone in the other blog stated: "That Julian Raby should be fired for even suggesting this exhibtion." <br /><br />You have not understand anything if you are happy that the guy even invites you working with him if the exhibition goes up. After reading the comments above, and having worked with people who seem so nice on the outside but act the opposite, I strongly suggest you stay far far away from this, write your paper on the topic. And continue to give us more blog entries on cultural heritage issues! Please!<br /><br />Marcie, an avid followerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4439320666659696765.post-43853767260165706192011-10-21T19:09:26.850-04:002011-10-21T19:09:26.850-04:00Hello Meg,
I did read both Felch, Frammolino, an...Hello Meg, <br /><br />I did read both Felch, Frammolino, and Watson. I know two of them personally. I would like to second the anonymous author above, in fact you should do some research. I also do not understand how you make this part of an museum/archaeology/science battle which is what the team of Julian Raby decides to portray it. There is (!) a valid and important legal aspect here that you simply seem to miss: the Smithsonian is bound to signatures it has given! If you sign a contract, you do not violate this the next second. This is only comparable to Marion True (again, museum curator, not archaeologist, who was accused of illegal actions) to go with JF and RF, in that she was signing a contract and doing the contrary at the same time. This is about getting the Smithsonian in deep trouble for acting against its own ethics. Archaeologists are not (!) the ones who can be blamed here for by Julian Raby. If you do not see this, you should inform yourself more about the complex role of the Smithsonian in the past ... Larry Small, Hello?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4439320666659696765.post-76727715003269188732011-10-21T14:57:20.042-04:002011-10-21T14:57:20.042-04:00The debate absolutely has to do with archaeology; ...The debate absolutely has to do with archaeology; the Belitung shipwreck was largely excavated by a commercial salvage company, but was eventually studied by two maritime archaeologists. The debate is over whether or not this material was excavated in such a way that it is ethical for a museum in the United States to exhibit it. This one controversy at the Smithsonian lives within a bigger controversy between archaeologists, who generally believe that ancient artifacts should be exhibited primarily in a historical context, and museums, who often assert that ancient art objects should be seen in a largely aesthetic context. Generally, the archaeological community is against the unscientific excavation and illegal trade in antiquities, while historically, museums have supported both through the purchase of unprovenanced artifacts. If you do not understand the problem in the archaeology/museum relationship, I recommend you read Chasing Aphrodite, by Jason Felch and Ralph Frammolino or The Medici Conspiracy by Peter Watson.Meg Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10534877373907555299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4439320666659696765.post-46899555921130274642011-10-21T09:53:40.249-04:002011-10-21T09:53:40.249-04:00I think you will miss the major point in this whol...I think you will miss the major point in this whole discussion. It is an internal Smithsonian dilemma as I understand it which has nothing at all to do with archaeology, even though it is cleverly portrayed as such. I might be wrong, but happy to be challenged, in thinking this is about the Smithsonian as National Museum breaking quite a couple of contracts. I do not understand why you want to study the problematic/or not relationship between archaeology and museum communities. This is about sticking to contracts people were fighting for for some reasons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4439320666659696765.post-48036019882506925802011-10-21T09:33:17.743-04:002011-10-21T09:33:17.743-04:00Bullet point one: since this museum director is su...Bullet point one: since this museum director is such a wonderful person and open for controversy, ask directly on the provenance of the in-house collections amassed over the last thirty years. Do this AFTER you have studied http://www.asia.si.edu/collections/provenance.asp. I mean provenance in the real sense. And you might ask this museum director for the role of the collector Nasser David Khalili in his career. And you might ask about the Smithsonian signing contracts (Unesco underwater heritage is a nice example) and doing quite the opposite. And you might google Ban Chiang material. Planning on an internship in the Smithsonian, right?! Happy welcome to the $$$$$ art dealers on the East Coast.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4439320666659696765.post-84859851032637793632011-10-21T01:17:13.730-04:002011-10-21T01:17:13.730-04:00Making everyone happy...
Why don't u start by...Making everyone happy...<br /><br />Why don't u start by looking at the past history of the Freer and Sackler Galleries exhibitions? Take for example, the 2004 "Iraq and China" exhibit, compare the objects (e.g., Plotnick Collection) sold at this month's Sotheby's Arts of the Islamic World sale? Make sense? Is it too much to argue that the Galleries served nicely preparing a major sale?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4439320666659696765.post-51901247398083847152011-10-20T18:25:54.407-04:002011-10-20T18:25:54.407-04:00+1 for the infographics. I (really) don't kno...+1 for the infographics. I (really) don't know how much infographic stuff there is, so I don't know whether there's enough for a course. But we definitely need to learn how to track networks, create and manipulate large data sets, present data in an understandable way... (If nothing else, so we have some transferable skills to take to industries with job opportunities.)samarkeologhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15105252320758729314noreply@blogger.com